21 posts / 0 new
Last post
The Courier
The Courier's picture

Why do waypoint coordinates labeled as "current"?? Can they be anything other than that??? Like something else?
Can others see my waypoints?
 
 

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

After a lot of research, there is a way to track other players waypoints and their coordinates through them. And quite a few players have claimed to have used them in raids, while I doubt it's actually in use it's possible to track them. All in all they're pretty buggy and I wouldn't use them.

Pingu
Pingu's picture

User "el pro" says: "The game's waypoint system is a bit different when compared to home points. Home points are measured in coordinates, but way points are measured in meters (m). One block is one meter, so your meters translate to blocks. Considering 16 blocks are in one chunk/coordinate, all you have to do is divide the numbers (meters/blocks) by 16 for a rough estimate of the coordinates/distance between you and the waypoint in chunks/coordinates."

The Courier
The Courier's picture

Pingu, that's just utter nonsense, "el pro" doesn't understand basic maths. If you have ever heard about the Manhattan (a.k.a taxicab) metric, you quickly realize that you can't convert the two distances to each other directly, one exception is only when two points are directly north to south or east to west relative to each other.

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier wrote: Pingu, that's just utter nonsense, "el pro" doesn't understand basic maths. If you have ever heard about the Manhattan (a.k.a taxicab) metric, you quickly realize that you can't convert the two distances to each other directly, one exception is only when two points are directly north to south or east to west relative to each other.

Theoretically you can, if you really do the math it shouldn't be a problem. And like Pingu added it's Metres not Coords, so basically every Chunk is a grid. You just have to find the correct block in the grid. It's like battleship.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, If you really do the math, you understand that a 10 chunks distance is 160 meters if you measure it north to south, but it is almost 226 meters in the diagonal direction, which is a huge difference, more than 40%. If you don't understand what does sqrt(2) mean, you have no grounds to argue with me.

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier, And the idea that you can't compare different forms of measurement is absurd. It's simply not true, I convert Feet to Meters and Kilometers to Miles on a daily basis for my job. So yes you can translate different measurements fairly simply actually. And it's not "Simple Maths" it's an art.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, look at the picture and tell me, how many meters is a block then? What is your job? I hope it does not have anything to do with maths... 

Images: 
measure this
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier wrote: ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, look at the picture and tell me, how many meters is a block then? What is your job? I hope it does not have anything to do with maths... 

A block is one meter.... Everyone knows that, it doesn't take math to understand simple facts.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, wrong. You didn't even try to understand the example i gave you, did you? My statement: A block sometimes is a meter, sometimes is 1.41 meters, sometimes between the two values, assuming you measure in 2d. (Actually there are 3 coordinates, which complicates things even more, but let's just set aside for now.) Your statement: 1 block is 1 meter in all circumstances. Saying "everyone knows that..." is not a valid argument that supported your statement, however it's only a logical fallacy commonly used by those who are not seeking the truth, but only want to make it look like they are right, without solid reasoning. Mathematics is not like that, you can't proove something by saying such things.

So if you really like to know why the conversion from meters to blocks or chunks are strictly dependent on direction, and can't be done with a single scaling operation, I can help you with that, but if you are not interested in that, I'm not willing to be enrertained with your disrespectful manifestations any further.

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier wrote: ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, wrong. You didn't even try to understand the example i gave you, did you? My statement: A block sometimes is a meter, sometimes is 1.41 meters, sometimes between the two values, assuming you measure in 2d. (Actually there are 3 coordinates, which complicates things even more, but let's just set aside for now.) Your statement: 1 block is 1 meter in all circumstances. Saying "everyone knows that..." is not a valid argument that supported your statement, however it's only a logical fallacy commonly used by those who are not seeking the truth, but only want to make it look like they are right, without solid reasoning. Mathematics is not like that, you can't proove something by saying such things.
So if you really like to know why the conversion from meters to blocks or chunks are strictly dependent on direction, and can't be done with a single scaling operation, I can help you with that, but if you are not interested in that, I'm not willing to be enrertained with your disrespectful manifestations any further.

You're retarded, the distance of a single block HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MATHEMATICS. Every block is perfectly uniform, they don't change sizes... I don't understand how you can be so stupid, it's not freaking complicated. If 2 think 2 uniform blocks could be different sizes you've got something messed up in the head.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, the distance of a single block has everything to do with mathematics, when we are talking about of its conversion to meters, and i never meant they change size, see clarification below

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

And the fact you called it "Simple Maths" leads me to believe you're 9 years old and uneducated which is likely accurate.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, answer my question first, after that we are going to revisit this statement, right?

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier wrote: ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, answer my question first, after that we are going to revisit this statement, right?

I did honey

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, my sandwich was delicious today, I did honey too. (omg im hilarious, hee hee hee)

The Courier
The Courier's picture

"2 uniform blocks could be different sizes", you said this, not me. So you can't prove i'm messed up in the head just because you say something that is not true (and which I never wanted to say) it's just another logical fallacy of yours. You proved that you didn't understand what I said, so I'm gonna try to explain it again.

Problem is that you confuse measurements and block sizes. When you walk along the edges of blocks, you walk 1 block per meter or 1 meter per block obviously. When you walk diagonally (across) the cubes, then you walk 0.707 blocks per meters or 1.41 meters per blocks conversely. If you go any other direction but diagonal or sidewise, then those numbers will change between 1 and 1.41, depending on your walking direction. I hope this helps you to understand why there is no, one to one correspondence between measurements taken in meters and in blocks.

When I asked "how many meters is a block then?", I wasn't asking about the side length of the cube, which is always 1 meters, of course, but about the conversion between meters and blocks (like how many kilometers is a mile). When I say a block is sometimes 1.41 meters I mean that when you walk diaginally, you use the blocks' *diagonal* size as a measuring unit and that's longer than the side length, so you still walk 1 block distance but you got further, you went 1.41 meters away from the starting point, so in this case 1 block is 1.41 meters as a measuring unit. Does this makes more sense to you now?

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

The Courier wrote: "2 uniform blocks could be different sizes", you said this, not me. So you can't prove i'm messed up in the head just because you say something that is not true (and which I never wanted to say) it's just another logical fallacy of yours. You proved that you didn't understand what I said, so I'm gonna try to explain it again.
Problem is that you confuse measurements and block sizes. When you walk along the edges of blocks, you walk 1 block per meter or 1 meter per block obviously. When you walk diagonally (across) the cubes, then you walk 0.707 blocks per meters or 1.41 meters per blocks conversely. If you go any other direction but diagonal or sidewise, then those numbers will change between 1 and 1.41, depending on your walking direction. I hope this helps you to understand why there is no, one to one correspondence between measurements taken in meters and in blocks.
When I asked "how many meters is a block then?", I wasn't asking about the side length of the cube, which is always 1 meters, of course, but about the conversion between meters and blocks (like how many kilometers is a mile). When I say a block is sometimes 1.41 meters I mean that when you walk diaginally, you use the blocks' *diagonal* size as a measuring unit and that's longer than the side length, so you still walk 1 block distance but you got further, you went 1.41 meters away from the starting point, so in this case 1 block is 1.41 meters as a measuring unit. Does this makes more sense to you now?

I think the true issue here is we let you do math, so now you're confusing yourself and making stuff up to try and cover your flaws.

The Courier
The Courier's picture

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ, what flaws? What did I make up? I was saying the same thing in more and more details. If you can't understand it, none of my fault at this point. You can't cut a potato with a potato because a potato is not sharp, but you can cut it with a knife, because the knife is sharp.

ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂...
ꆜᦔꫀ᧒ꪖ ꪜꪊ乂 ቿꋖቿ 乂ϟᏩჩЄϟꆜ's picture

Either that or Pingu had without a doubt proven all you have to do to make one go mad is post on a forum

The Courier
The Courier's picture

"What a lot of people don't know is you have to find the secret recipe to brew IP to get the Skins" -- quote from you. Now you've got the nerve to say I'm making things up. Fascinating.